An Armed Society is a Polite Society
 

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That's funny. :applause_

My CCW is always in my car at the very least. Before I leave my vehicle, I make a gut-check, and decide if I'll carry outside. About 60% of the time I carry. One place I always carry....is if I need to go inside a bank.

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We aren't allowed to carry at all except in the event of a special permit, then you need a damn good reason and a thorough check by the RCMP, most of the time you're declined. Even a non-concealable weapon requires a special permit to move. Funny thing is, per capita, Canada has 1/10th the gun crime of the US.

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Yeah what about stuff like the O.K Corral.

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that animated pic reminds me of when Ohioan's For Concealed Carry get together at a local restaurant. It's billed as the safest place to be in Ohio. And there are the jokes: 'can you imagine if some idiot decided to rob the place'...

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There are also 10 times as many people in the USA!
31,612,897 people in Canada
302,162,229 people in the USA!

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I guess you missed the per capita part

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I don't think he missed it at all. With dense population comes the growth of areas in poverty and hence more crime.

Additionally, the original premise was that society be armed and available to snuff the miscreant as a team concept. This is not the case, in that even though arms are legal in the USA, most people do not have them available when needed. Nor do most even know how to handle them safely.

A better example might be Sweden, where the ability to have arms and being educated on their use is encouraged. That's where we fail in the USA in my opinion.

However this is where the debate is actually missing the point. If one does a survey of several countries based strictly on gun availability, the results are scattered, so there must be a better correlation to explain it. I contend that correlation has more to do with poverty.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_p.../cis_1032.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

I maintain that the root cause for crime is poverty. You can figure by a quick US/Canada comparison or a color/race comparison or any number of other comparisons, but in each case it seems to lead back to the hopelessness of a high density and impoverished population.

Go figger. Figgers lie and liars figger, unless one is actually looking to find the root cause and a solution to the problem.

Just my nickel's worth.

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Thanks. Chaulk it up to Canadians just being nicer people....:D

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Application Process

The sheriff of a county must issue a permit to carry a weapon concealed to any person who is not disqualified see Idaho Code 18-3302 (a)-(n). An original permit application consists of the completion of the State of Idaho Concealed Weapons License Application form and a complete set of the applicant�s fingerprints. The Bureau of Criminal Identification (BCI) conducts a state record check and forwards the fingerprints to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). The FBI conducts a national fingerprint-based record check and returns the result to the sheriff. The required background check takes approximately 90 days to process.

http://www.co.boise.id.us/Sheriff/Co...s%20Permit.htm

:9536: Here in Idaho they hand them out at the Drivers License office. Very easy process.

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Canadians are some of the most docile, enslaved people on the planet. A Canadian who posts on a place like Stormfront can be arrested and sent to jail.

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Yes he missed it, and Jeeezus, the US is the richest country in the world, yet you resort to excusing your violence by claiming the impoverished are to blame?

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Let's make poverty a crime.

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You know specifically of a Canadian who has been arrested for doing so?

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Yes. And while we are on the subject, let us not forget Zundel.

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http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=562742

Canada is Kosherized.

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Thank you kahlil

From the link

Docile and enslaved huh? lol

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That kid certainly isn't docile, and the replacement computer came via a contribution drive on SF. When the Canadian system put its boot on Zundel's freedom of speech how many people protested? maybe a couple of hundred. Those people certainly aren't docile and enslaved. It is perfectly reasonable to state that any country that allows its freedom of individual expression to be outlawed is generally docile and enslaved, even if a few rare individuals stand up for it.

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First, the "richest country in the world" strawman is just that. It's as empty as a FRN.

Now, where did I excuse it? I don't excuse it at all. I think if you actually studied it you would understand that crime, and in particular violent crime, primarily emerges from and correlates to impoverished conditions. I would like to see poverty solved. It is currently not being solved, even as more and more restrictions (prohibitions) and social services abound.

I agree there is a violent crime problem in the US. I just differ in what I see as a solutions.

So... as far as I am concerned, yes, he missed it.

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http://www.savethemales.ca/001474.html

http://www.savethemales.ca/000172.html

http://www.savethemales.ca/000293.html

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So where does your assumption that Canadians are docile and enslaved come from? Zundel was deported by the US for alleged immigration violations and deported to Germany 'as a danger to Canadian security'. You highlight the Canadian aspect, but we both know very well it wouldn't matter if he was Hottentot, he was extradited because he questioned the holocaust.

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:rofl: :rofl: Yes that.

Or bring our debt expenditures (foreign giveaways) home and build a real economy based on value, with which to encourage free trade for both domestic and foreign goods.

That would be a start.:9536:

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Kahlil thank you for the links, but I despise makow.

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as a danger to Canadian security

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I do too. I even emailed him and told him why.

:beer:

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:coolbeer:

Our old $50 bill had a pic of Mounties all on horseback in a circle and pointing their lances to the centre. We called it the Ukranian firing squad. lol

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I lived in Vancouver and Calgary in the '80s. I'm just funnin with ya.

:playingba

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I concede the point: both Canadians and Americans are docile and enslaved.

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:beer: Agreed.

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Wish I could argue that but I can't. :banghead:

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Nothing left to do but :coolbeer:

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Might as well vote at the same time...






:cheers: once they tell us who for

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It is hard to argue with agreement. :coolbeer:

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I've always noticed that. How polite people are when everyone is packing. It's refreshing.
I've seen an idiot who was getting out of hand calm right down when he spied a gentleman with a pistol in his holster. Amazing how that works.
:D

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I guess some people haven't been to gang territory... over here, a polite person is an unarmed person.

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I was talking about human's. :D

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Subhumans own guns, and train with them, too. A recent article in Concealed Carry magazine described how gang members practice a lot more and are better skilled shooters than the average gun owner, since gang members need shooting ability to stay alive.

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All the more reason to carry one and practice with it.

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Wow I never would have thought that. It makes sense but still its hard to think they are joining shooting ranges in groups. Its also hard to believe they are practicing in the hood.

E-A

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The point is that guns mainly help keep polite people polite. Guns won't do much to civilize the armed impolite.

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That, and it's a lot harder to hit your your target when you're holding your Glock Fo-Tay over your head and sideways like your favorite Hollywood OG.

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You gots to get you some of these for your fitty-kebbeh 9:

http://www.myconfinedspace.com/wp-co....thumbnail.jpg

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I'm an advocate of gun control in the right circumstances. Our government treats anybody that has a registered weapon as criminals. It is an indication of the societal state that requires people to have to defend themselves with what was originally intended as a survival tool, not a necessary self-defense tool. Guns were not meant as an accouterment, no society should have to resort to such extremes, if they have there is something wrong with that society. I have livestock, I have other people's uncontrolled 'pets' chasing deer and moose through my fences, yet the gov says I must be subjected to criminal probes if I intend to have the means to stop the neighbor's dog packs from running my animals through fences. THAT is what rifles were intended for, not for packing to the local coffee shop. There really do exist places where people do not have to pack to be safe.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: Hah, no doubt!

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accoutrement

:smile: for gun control use both hands

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Yep, and some of them are not even reported. It's quite common for people in the Vietnamese community to suffer a home invasion and not report it for fear of reprisal.

I haven't lived in California for three years but I noticed back then the news media was not really reporting home invasions with the sensationalism that they previously had. Apparently it was 'old' news and if someone wasn't killed or raped it barely got a mention.

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And the police can't be everywhere. Usually, the police come AFTER THE FACT, when it's too late. You've already been robbed or worse. The police write a report and move on to the next crime where they write a report.

Gun control is senseless and doesn't work because the theory is divorced from reality. It would be nice if everyone would turn in their guns, but unfortunately, criminals have the bad habit of not obeying the law. So when you have gun control in an area, the only people who will obey and turn in their guns are law abiding citizens who aren't the ones using their guns in crimes anyway. They also happen to be the ones who are most likely to stop a dangerous criminal when things get out of hand. Remember the Virginia Tech shooting? The state of Virginia allows concealed weapons, but the university decided to ban all guns from campus a year ago. Virginia Tech has a large ex-military student body, people who know how to use a firearm and are trained in tactics. There is absolutely no way the killer could have killed 2 people, then take a two hour break to mail his package, and return to campus to kill again. At the very least he would have faced resistance in the 2nd shooting, and would have had to take cover instead of walking from classroom to classroom.

What's not mentioned, and perhaps deliberately, is that he was stopped when another student pulled out his gun and told Odighizuwa to drop his. Odighizuwa was "tackled" only after having a gun trained on him by someone else. Without that other person with a gun, Odighizuwa would not have been stopped, and could have killed more people.

In fact, only a few newspapers mentioned that he was stopped by another person wielding a gun. The vast majority just simply failed to report that important fact, another big example of liberal bias in the media. Most of those media types want a total ban on guns, and won't report any story that shows guns to be used in defense to stop criminals. Don't buy into the propaganda.

Final point, guns in the hands of citizens insures that the government remains responsive to the people It is impossible for a small group to stage a coup and take control of the nation like it is with other countries. We know what would happen if President Bush declared himself President for Life.

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That is what the founding fathers intended. The last line of defense in the system of checks and balances. Any other interpretation of the 2nd ammendment is not well researched.

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A friend of our family was murdered in Canada by a vagrant man who hit her in the head 35 times with a carpenters hammer until her skull was completely crushed.

There aren't a lot of guns in Canada. I wonder what the gun crime rate is PER GUN in Canada versus the gun crime rate PER GUN in the USA. I'd be willing to bet that the Canada's gun crime rate would be at least TWICE the USA's when measured against the total guns in circulation.

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:s9: :9536:

In Canada, one First Nation individual murdering another
 

First Nation individual is listed as Natural Causes!

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Guns per person: 0.24 in Canada vs. 0.81 in USA

Gun homicides per 100,000: 0.7 in Canada vs. 5.7 in USA

Thus, the USA has only about 3.4 times more guns per person, yet 8.1 times the gun-homicide rate.

Source: http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/weekly/aa030500c.htm (for a particular time period).